starting to learn

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  • Mon, Nov 30 2009 11:05

    • Peadar86
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    starting to learn

    Hi Everyone, I'm just starting out on my irish jounrney.

    In School I had no great love for irish but recently i redicovered a passion for it.

    I am starting with a blank slate again. I'm guessing that the users of this site are

    predominantly interested in the ulster dialect(Please correct me if I'm wrong), I'm from Tipperary

    in Munster and if anyone wants to practice munster irish with me please contact me, I'll only be

    too happy to help as much as I can.

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  • Thu, Dec 3 2009 3:51 In reply to

    • michelle
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    Re: starting to learn

    Peader,

    Tá tú ceart, the recordings are done with an Ulster speaker and our offices are in Belfast. But we're trying to make sure we have learning materials that help everyone.

    Hope you find another Munster speaker here - I must look to see if we can add a feature to the site so people can identify themselves as Connemara/Ulster/Munster etc.

    Slán anois,

    Michelle

    Is fearr dhá theanga ná ceann amháin…

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  • Tue, Jan 5 2010 3:53 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    Dia Duit Peadar! I, like yourself, am just beginning to learn Irish however I'm afraid I am at the infancy stage of learning this language as I have verly little knowledge of it myself. Though I now have a tremendous desire to learn the language I feel I must take baby steps in learning it. Any suggestions from our viewers as to where I should begin? I'd prefer not to speak with the Ulster dialect and like Peadar would like to learn the Munster intonation. Slán Go Foill !!!!  Finbarr

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  • Tue, Jan 5 2010 5:40 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    Mo chairde:  (My friends)

    As starters you should memorize this site's word a day.  Also, write down the sentence of the day and parse it (write it out and try to understand

    what is being said, how it is being said, what verb is used, why , etc.  I started last year and didn't make it through the year because I got side-tracked.

    It sounds like you're both in Ireland so you have all the advantages.  There must be multiple classes near you.  I would buy: Foclóir Scoile (An Gum) (Dictionary), Briathra

    (Nolens)Irregular and Regular Verbs, and then call Georodin or Siobhan at Oideas Gael and ask what course they might offer like Tús Maith but that would be in Munster.  

    Tus Maith is a real nice little course with Ulster Irish speakers rthat helps us to understand pronunciation and goes with TalkIrish.com real well.

     

    Adh mhór oraibh, (Good luck to yeez)

    Faber

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  • Thu, Apr 15 2010 16:38 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    It's really nice to hear that I'm not the only "infant" in learning process. As for someone who doesn't live in Ireland and wanna learn without being in a class because it isn't available here, is it okey to follow the Talkirish alone or I havta do something else??

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  • Mon, Apr 19 2010 7:32 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    You definitely are NOT the only infant.  Just learn the word a day and buy the Tús Maith course.  Get through about lesson 6 or 7 and then sign up for Skype.  I Skype with

    two I met on this site and it is VERY helpful.  There is no substitute for talking in the language.

     

    Bí caint sa gaeilge!

    Faberm

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  • Thu, Dec 9 2010 17:09 In reply to

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    I'm now in Ireland and may be working as an SHO in hospitals and would like to speak Irish fluently within two years..can I do it? It's my first time to be in Ireland and I loved it and it's people, they're wonderful, helpful and so cute....I have been to many countries before, but this one is really the No. 1

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  • Fri, Dec 10 2010 10:14 In reply to

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    I am new to all of this as well. My family is from Ireland but I live in America and would like to be able to speak the language of my family. I am only 18 but i plan on moving to Europe when I finish college and would like to speak as many languages as I can. 

    Any help from anyone I would greatly appreciate. I have no idea where to start but I am exited! 

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    Re: starting to learn

    Dia duit Peadar, is dalta agam agus is brea liom Gaeilge freisin! Mar tá mo Ghaeilge uafasach ar aonnos! Tá mé i mo chonaí i nGaillimh, mar tá Gaeilge Gaillimh coisiúil le Gaeilge Munster (níl a fhios agam le focail).

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  • Sat, Dec 11 2010 20:14 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    I know 4 languages and I am studying Irish as my 5th.  It is the hardest language I have ever studied.  Hebrew is

    much easier.  I love it because it is the language of my people for 2500 + years.  Don't get discouraged, but if you just

    want an easy language to learn, start with Spanish.  It's about 1/10the as hard to learn as Irish.  Ach,  Is brea liom an Gaeilge.

    Is fearr an Gaeilge nios mo all the rest.  Adh mór,

    Faber Mac Mhaolaoin

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  • Sat, Dec 11 2010 23:26 In reply to

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    Re: starting to learn

    I think the key to learning any language is picking one that you truly love, because face it, you are going to be spending a lot of time with it if you want to become fluent!

    About a month ago I became so frustrated with my slow progress in Irish that I thought, "Screw it, I'm going to learn an easier language first. I can always learn Irish later" I spent a day browsing through beginner's Spanish. I was able to work through the lessons without the slightest frustration, it was pretty easy. But by the end of that day, I was back to learning Irish (despite all the headdesk-ing going on). It's very hard but I absolutely love it.

    If you love the language, the difficulty only makes it all the more tempting to learn. If you don't love the language, chances are you won't stick to it once it gets rough. My two cents. :)

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  • Sun, Dec 12 2010 7:06 In reply to

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    Tentaclezoom:  I appreciate your comment.  I wrote mine because I received a call from someone last week who has studied the Irish language for a decade and feels they haven't made much progress. I feel they are fed up and wouldn't mind quitting right now.  My comment is to make sure that the reader understands that Gaeilge is NOT comparatively an easy European language.  I continue to study it for the reasons which you state and others.  Also, there is nothing wrong with studying a couple of languages at the same time. So perhaps a little side study in Spanish would help the person have confidence, feel linguistic accomplishment, etc.  I often come at my Gaeilge through my Spanish words as I am a fluent Spanish speaker.

    Irish is disproportionately difficult compared to the other languages that I know and that I have studied.  That fact won't keep me from studying it, but it helps me to adjust my expectations.  I have thought about this long and hard and I think that several key factors make it so difficult for me: 1) there are not thousands of people around me with whom I can speak it, hear it, and experience it (like Spanish here in the USA). In fact there is NOT ONE PERSON closer than 80 miles to me who has any knowledge of it. !  I have found a few learning folks on Skype that are willing to battle it out with me, but that is no substitute for native or fluent speakers with whom one might speak and hear it and know that it is right.  2) The orthography (spelling) is outrageously difficult compared to the other 4 languages that I know.  Hebrew is WAY easier and more phonetic even with the minor (but fun) inconvenience of learning an entirely new alphabet and writing "right to left". Knowing that I am screwing up as I write it chills my desire to jump on board and write stuff out.  I've done that here on this site and been followed by comments correcting each and every mistake that I make.  I can spell check anything, but it is a better gauge of what one knows to jump in and go for it.  We could tag our photo with our skill level so no one who is a more elementary learner would look to another beginner for spelling tips, grammar, etc.  Immediate correction really doesn't encourage anyone to keep at it.

    Another area which makes it a little difficult is the passion and parochialism for the different dialects.  One who studies say Ulster Irish (like this site leans) finds it strange to be corrected by someone who speaks another "dialect".  It would be sort of like me from Texas correcting a person from Massachussetts who pronounces "park the car" like "Pahk the cah" to my Texan ears.  My response is "who cares?"  Try to hear me, understand me, help me, and realize that the language will die if no one new attempts to learn it.  I think the Irish Government could do much to promote the speaking of Irish by hiring 10 native speakers who are teachers from each of the three main areas.  They could post lessons on the web and have interactive Irish speaking lessons with live folks via Skype. They would need about 60 speakers (3 sets of 20) to cover the time zones etc, so the cost would be probably between 2-4 million dollars a year. They could allow any worldwide learner say 1.1/2 hours a week, and more if they paid a small fee.

    Anyway, these are just a few thoughts and ramblings at 5 in the morning of a person who loves the language,

    Slán

    Faber

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  • Sun, Dec 12 2010 12:30 In reply to

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    I feel your pain, Faber, of having no one to speak with. I live in the northern part of Michigan, and have never heard the Irish language in real life - only through Internet audio/TV programs. When I tell people I am learning to speak Irish, most of them don't even know it is a language. They wonder if I am trying to learn to speak with an Irish accent! The only practice I get speaking Irish is when I talk to either my dog or my one-year old nieces, and they don't offer much in terms of helping me out ;). (I am hoping I can teach my nieces some Irish words as they grow up, even if it is just saying "Dia duit" and "Slán" - I met an 8 year old last month who didn't even know what a "different language" was, and I find that sad. I wish I had learned a second language as a child).

    I can also see your point about studying an easier language simultaneously to feel like you are at least making linguistic progress. If you are able to handle more than one language I would say go for it, definitely. I plan to start learning a third language too, but not until I have better mastery of basic Irish. I'm too much of a beginner to shift my focus just yet.

    Since I have no one to speak with, I am trying to keep a journal in Gaeilge. Right now I can only write the odd Irish sentence or two, but I'm hoping in a year or two I will be able to write full, simple entries in Irish. Sometimes I want to give up, but then I listen to someone speak perfect, fluent Irish and I'm so smitten that the frustration just melts away.

    Deas bualadh leat, a Fhaber. Passion for the language is truly the greatest asset of learning.

    Slán,

    Brittany

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  • Sun, Dec 12 2010 22:24 In reply to

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    Brittany:  I would be happy to give you a ring if you desire and go over some basics and fill you in on my year or so of study.  It might enthuse you on.  If you want a call, email me at  fabermcmullen@gmail.com

     

    Is deas bualadh latsa,

    Faber

     

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  • Fri, Dec 17 2010 13:44 In reply to

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    Tá brón orm, a Fhaber, it is a busy time of year! Unfortunately I don't have a phone at the moment (probably not until after the holidays) but I will gladly shoot you an e-mail soon. If you have time to reply, I would be happy to talk through emails. Of course, nothing is as good as speaking the language but at the moment any practice is helpful.

    Go raibh maith agat!
    Brittany

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