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Re: Bealoideas

tonyd — Sat, 26 Dec 2015 12:11:48 GMT

Míle buíochas Sean. Tá mé ag féachaint ar bealoideas bailíodh sa naoú haois déag ag daoine ar nós Jeremiah Curtin (Éire) agus John Francis Campbell (West Highlands). Campbell insíonn dúinn a bhailigh sé an scéal ó agus soláthraíonn an leagan Gaeilge. Ní chuireann Jeremiah Curtin.

Tá go háirithe ‘Queen of the Lonesome Isle' frásaí eochair agus 'misfortune of the world' a d'fhéadfadh a bhfuil aistriúchán ceart cabhair a fháil na leaganacha bunaidh a taifeadadh i Gaelic. Do mo aigne chabhraigh scéalta den sórt sin pobail ‘traumatized’ dul i ngleic leis an iarmhairt uafásach an ghorta.

The King of Erin and the Queen of the Lonesome Isle – Jeremiah Curtin

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/celt/mfli/index.htm

Coldfeet and the Queen of the Lonesome Isle – Jeremiah Curtin

https://archive.org/stream/herotalesofirela00curtuoft/herotalesofirela00curtuoft_djvu.txt

Ps: Thanks again Sean and forgive the abysmal Irish, It's thirty-five years since I've used Irish and even then I was not very good. I think your translation is correct as it brings up: http://www.rannnafeirste.com/banron-an-uaignis/ suggesting this was the form used in fairy tales.

Re: Bealoideas

seano — Thu, 24 Dec 2015 16:27:04 GMT

I would use Banríon Oileán an Uaignis and Tubaiste an Domhain or Tubaiste an tSaoil. Without knowing the exact context it's hard to tell. There is a poem which has the phrase ar ámharaí an tsaoil tslim, which means something like by a stroke of dire misfortune.

Sorry not to have posted much recently - I have had a bit of discomfort in my wrists and I do a lot of typing at work, so I have cut down my typing outside of work hours. However, I will try to post more in 2016.

Nollaig Shona agus Bliain Úr Faoi Mhaise Daoibh! :-)

Re: Bealoideas

tonyd — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 20:35:17 GMT

Go raibh maith agat arís Dale. Tá mé ag foghlaim freisin mar sin is féidir liom a fháil amach faoi bhéaloideas na hÉireann.

Tony D.

Re: Bealoideas

Dale D — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 17:42:09 GMT

Fáilte romhat, a Tony. Tá súil agam atá ceart go leor an t-aistriúcháin. Tá mé ag foghlaim fós, ach foghlaimím níos mó fearr ar dhéanamh. Déanaim meancóga fós, cinnte.

Slán leat!

Dale D

Re: Bealoideas

tonyd — Sat, 21 Nov 2015 15:33:48 GMT

Míle buíochas Dale as na haistriúcháin. Bheadh siad de dhíth ndaingnithe ag Gaeilgeoirí a chuala iad in úsáid i gcomhrá agus scéalta. Ach tús maith!

Go raibh míle maith agat.

Tony D.

Re: Bealoideas

Dale D — Fri, 20 Nov 2015 19:09:11 GMT

Here's my guesses:

Queen of the Lonesome Isle:

Banríon an oileáin chumhaigh OR Banríon an hinse cumhaí

misfortune of the world:

mífhortún an domhain

My source for lookup was http://www.teanglann.ie/en/, using both the dictionaries and the grammar database. I could still have errors....

There are two words in Irish for "Island" (and both translate for the diminuitive form): oileán and inis. Oileán is masculine and inis is feminie. This accounts for the different treatment of the adjective in each case. In both cases, the genitive of the noun is used since this is a possessive construct.

The Irish word tubaiste means "tragedy, calamity, disaster" and was the first word I found in one of my dictionaries under "misfortune" but the database provided the alternative mífhortún which I thought carried the truer meaning of what you were asking about. The genitive for "world" was used, domhain, again because of the possessive construct.

I hope that is helpful. If anyone has any comments, corrections, suggestions, or complaints, feel free!

Dale D

Bealoideas

tonyd — Wed, 18 Nov 2015 16:29:05 GMT

Tá dhá frásaí a úsáidtear go minic scéalta fairy Gaeilge taifeadta ag Jeremiah Curtin:

'Queen of the Lonesome Isle'

agus

'misfortune of the world'


Conas a scríobh na frásaí seo i nGaeilge?
Go raibh míle maith agat.
Tony D.

PS: Níl ach cúpla focal Gaeilge agam.